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Mar 13, 2018 10:11
6 yrs ago
Spanish term

(escuela) de todos, con todos y para todos

Spanish to English Social Sciences Education / Pedagogy Inclusive schooling / Immigration
SPAIN. I'm racking my brains to find some way of expressing this in English without it sounding hokey or redundant. In fact I've gone pretty much numb now... Do we really need all 3 components? To me, the notions of "escuela de todos" and "para todos" are both expressed in the English term "school/ing for all". I wonder if it's something in the Spanish psyche that finds triplets somehow more appealing? (TV advert with "todo, todo y todo" springs to mind).


"La educación intercultural se defiende como uno de los modelos que hace posible la escuela inclusiva (escuela de todos, con todos y para todos) puesto que pone en valor la diferencia, reconoce el conflicto como una oportunidad para el aprendizaje, defiende la riqueza de la diversidad y mestizaje cultural y aboga por la igualad de oportunidades y la equidad."
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 run by, with, and for the (whole) community
4 a school by all, with all and for all
4 (a school) that belongs to everyone, involves everyone and serves everyone.
3 A school belonging to all, with all, and for all
3 (school) of all and for all

Discussion

Mónica Hanlan Mar 13, 2018:
With Phil Triplets are a known persuasive technique, used in many adverts and other persuasive texts or texts in general.
philgoddard Mar 13, 2018:
It's not just Spanish that has an affinity for triplets. It's been wired into the human psyche since ancient times: I came, I saw, I conquered; friends, Romans, countrymen; blood, sweat and tears. It's an ingredient of some of the best writing, and we often don't consciously notice it.
Rachel Fell Mar 13, 2018:
for, with and on behalf of everyone/everybody?

Proposed translations

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run by, with, and for the (whole) community

There are many ways you could express this. Here's one.
Note from asker:
I like this "no-nonsense" approach...
Peer comment(s):
agree patinba : A good one.
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agree Silvia Hanine-Studnicki
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agree franglish
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I think I'll go with this. Thanks to all for all the suggestions :)"
4 hrs

A school belonging to all, with all, and for all

I don’t think it hokey to be somewhat literal here, considering that they already defined the school as inclusive. They’re simply emphasizing it. 😊

I would say:
“A school belonging to all, with all, and for all”

Let’s see what other feedback you receive.
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4 hrs

a school by all, with all and for all

My take
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8 hrs

(a school) that belongs to everyone, involves everyone and serves everyone.

I don't think it's possible to make this as brief as the original and reflect the meaning clearly and accurately. It depends which is the higher priority. Personally I think there's a good case for sacrificing brevity for the sake of accuracy, rather than the other way round, but it's a matter of personal judgement. I don't think you can do it with three prepositions in English without changing the meaning, or at least leaving the meaning unclear. "Con", in particular, is not effectively rendered by "with", in my opinion, and "by" certainly doesn't reflect "de". I think verbs get the meaning across better. I also feel that "everyone" works better than "all". "For all" is fine, but not with the whole phrase.

To me, "de todos" means it belongs to everyone, everyone has a stake in it, "con todos" means that everyone is involved in it and committed to it, and "para todos" means it serves everyone, everyone benefits from it.

An arguably more nuanced version would be "a school in which everyone has a stake, everyone is involved and everyone enjoys the benefits", but I hesitate to suggest this since I sense there will be resistance to making it even longer.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-03-13 18:23:03 GMT)
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Another way of reading "para todos" would be is open to everyone: I'm sure the essential idea is inclusion.
Note from asker:
Hmmm... you'd think it would be implicit (the entire project is about inclusive education)... I just find the Spanish a wee bit too slogany. Jury's still out.
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1 day 2 hrs

(school) of all and for all

Just another option -expresión que suena tan forzada y a la vez tan natural como el original castellano.
Obviously, it is up to you natives to judge how natural does it sound in English. In this case, the Spanish expression is a natural sounding one although it sounds somehow forced in as well so as to stress the idea of "sharing". Of all and for all sounds as if an equivalent English expression, both natural and somehow forced-in.
Saludos!

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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2018-03-14 12:18:41 GMT)
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Our overarching aspiration is to ensure that legal academia is a profession representative of all and for all
https://www.legalscholars.ac.uk

The divine blessing of the origin and promise of an eternal destiny, which are the foundation of the dignity of every life, are of all and for all.
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pu...

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