May 13, 2022 14:36
2 yrs ago
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French term
pour l'Inde
French to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
apostille
Bonjour j'ai un doute quant à la traduction formelle de "république française pour l'Inde".
Je vous remercie beaucoup pour votre aide
Je vous remercie beaucoup pour votre aide
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +1 | for use in India / for use in the Republic of India |
Daryo
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| 4 +2 | French Republic for Rebublic of India |
Anastasia Kalantzi
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| 4 | (Apostilled by the) French Republic, for use in India |
Conor McAuley
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Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:
Non-PRO (1): Yvonne Gallagher
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Proposed translations
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1 day 14 hrs
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for use in India / for use in the Republic of India
"L'Apostille de la Haye" is a procedure / seal where the authority of the same country that issued the official document being "apostilled" makes that document valid / accepted / recognised for official purposes in other countries.
For some reason whoever put this "Apostille" decided to make it valid ONLY for use of the document in India
IOW this "Apostille"
was added to this document "in France, for use of (this document exclusively) in India"
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"in France, for use (of this document exclusively) in India"
For some reason whoever put this "Apostille" decided to make it valid ONLY for use of the document in India
IOW this "Apostille"
was added to this document "in France, for use of (this document exclusively) in India"
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"in France, for use (of this document exclusively) in India"
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Anastasia Kalantzi
: https://www.isarey-document-attestation.eu/India-document-at... / AT has a point here though which makes me wonder too. It's Asker's turn now to place himself.
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Thanks!
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AllegroTrans
: Extraordinary that you "neutral" Anastasia's answer which is (almost) a direct translation and then insist that your answer with inserted extra words is more correct
1 day 4 hrs
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I find it "extraordinary" that you think of "being accurate as possible when precision is of the essence" as s.t. to be viewed as "extraordinary" // Is a legal document the same thing as informal chit-chat?
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Conor McAuley
: Republic of India -- no, "decided to make it valid ONLY for use of the document in India" -- no, "for use in" -- yes, as the Asker clearly states in the Discussion. Overall I can only score you a neutral, though. / "exclusively" -- no.
1 day 12 hrs
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yes, it takes more time than just looking at a one-line entry in a some glossary, but no one stops you from "verifier à la source" - the whole text of the Convention (and commentaries) are publicly available to anyone willing to look at them.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci beaucoup"
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1 hr
Anastasia Kalantzi
Greece
Greece
Greece
EnFrGreek Medical/Mechanical/Legal
Native in: Greek (Variant: Modern) , Greek (Ancient) (Variants: Homeric, Ionic, Aeolic, Koine (common), Doric) 
Works in: French to Greek, Greek to French, English to Greek, and 5 more.
French term (edited):
République Française pour l'Inde
French Republic for Rebublic of India
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inde
India ( Hindi : भारत / Bhārat ; English : India ), in long form the Republic of India 4 ( Hindi : भारत गणराज्य / Bhārat Gaṇarājya ; English : Republic of India ), is a country of South Asia which occupies most of the Indian subcontinent . Its capital is New Delhi .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France
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UPDATED ANSWER: FRENCH REPUBLIC FOR INDIA
https://globalattestations.business.site/
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[AND JUST the opposite]
PCC Certificate Apostille for France |
https://www.evidence.co.in/pcc-certificate-apostille-attesta...
India ( Hindi : भारत / Bhārat ; English : India ), in long form the Republic of India 4 ( Hindi : भारत गणराज्य / Bhārat Gaṇarājya ; English : Republic of India ), is a country of South Asia which occupies most of the Indian subcontinent . Its capital is New Delhi .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France
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Note added at 2 ημέρες 21 ώρες (2022-05-16 12:20:35 GMT)
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UPDATED ANSWER: FRENCH REPUBLIC FOR INDIA
https://globalattestations.business.site/
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Note added at 2 ημέρες 21 ώρες (2022-05-16 12:29:47 GMT)
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[AND JUST the opposite]
PCC Certificate Apostille for France |
https://www.evidence.co.in/pcc-certificate-apostille-attesta...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
JH Trads
: or maybe safer here, just "French Republic for India"
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Yes, maybe, thanks.
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| agree |
AllegroTrans
: just "French Republic for India" would be a straight translation and best in the circumstances since we don't exactly what "for" connotes
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it could be, thanks.
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Daryo
: we do know what exactly the "pour" connotates - it's part of the implied context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille_Convention
1 day 13 hrs
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Of course, only the asker knows the whole contect; we're just third parties who're just suggesting.
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2 days 22 hrs
Conor McAuley
France
France
Native in English
Specializes in field
France
Excellence, Expertise & Experience
Native in: English (Variants: Wales / Welsh, UK, Scottish, Irish, British)
Works in: French to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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(Apostilled by the) French Republic, for use in India
Putting all the material previously posted and straightening it all out a bit, I would put this -- first part optional.
The word "pour" refers to the country where the apostilled document can be used -- irrelevant because the list of those countries is governed by the 1961 Hague Convention:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille_Convention#Contracti...
(Mistake by the public servant.)
That awkward little word "pour" often doesn't translate as "for".
Lastly, India is indeed a republic, but is not one of the countries commonly referred to as a republic, either in ordinary language (e.g. Republic of Ireland, the DRC, etc.) or in other circumstances (the French Republic, etc.).
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On second thoughts, going by the document posted by Anastasia, which has "Country" beside the country in question, your could even say France and not "French Republic", which is the convention in English, depending on what, if anything, you have beside "République Française" on your document.
Silly example: at the Eurovision, France is called "France" and not "the French Republic".
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Note added at 3 days 2 hrs (2022-05-16 17:34:34 GMT)
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Correction: Putting all the material previously posted TOGETHER etc.
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The heading for "République française", if there is one (the lack of one is not indicated by the Asker either), is missing from the context (or "République française" is a mistake by the public servant involved -- should have written "France"?) and that is the main issue here.
French public servants etc. etc.
Either way though, calling "India" "Republic of India" for no particular reason is clearly addition, and, as such, is a mistake.
The word "pour" refers to the country where the apostilled document can be used -- irrelevant because the list of those countries is governed by the 1961 Hague Convention:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille_Convention#Contracti...
(Mistake by the public servant.)
That awkward little word "pour" often doesn't translate as "for".
Lastly, India is indeed a republic, but is not one of the countries commonly referred to as a republic, either in ordinary language (e.g. Republic of Ireland, the DRC, etc.) or in other circumstances (the French Republic, etc.).
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Note added at 2 days 22 hrs (2022-05-16 13:07:32 GMT)
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On second thoughts, going by the document posted by Anastasia, which has "Country" beside the country in question, your could even say France and not "French Republic", which is the convention in English, depending on what, if anything, you have beside "République Française" on your document.
Silly example: at the Eurovision, France is called "France" and not "the French Republic".
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Note added at 3 days 2 hrs (2022-05-16 17:34:34 GMT)
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Correction: Putting all the material previously posted TOGETHER etc.
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Note added at 3 days 3 hrs (2022-05-16 17:50:51 GMT)
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The heading for "République française", if there is one (the lack of one is not indicated by the Asker either), is missing from the context (or "République française" is a mistake by the public servant involved -- should have written "France"?) and that is the main issue here.
French public servants etc. etc.
Either way though, calling "India" "Republic of India" for no particular reason is clearly addition, and, as such, is a mistake.
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: and Ireland is called Ireland and not the Republic of Ireland (at Eurovision); I think in this particular case it's better to just translate exactly what we see
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It's about rigour. Example re the Eurovision concerned France, not Ireland. "The Republic" is called just "Ireland" at the Eurovision because NI doesn't compete on its own. The country is France, the State is the French Republic.
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Discussion
1. Republique Française pour l'Inde
Le present acte public
2. a été signé etc
Specifically, what comes before "république française pour l'Inde"?