Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Romanian term or phrase:
pacate strigatoare la cer
English translation:
sins that cry to Heaven
Added to glossary by
allison578 (X)
Mar 24, 2011 21:00
13 yrs ago
Romanian term
allison578 (X)
pacate strigatoare la cer
Romanian to English
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Religion
teologie
Nu gasesc echivalentul in engleza. Mortal sin imi pare ca s-ar aplica celor 7 pacate capitale si nu pacatelor strigatoare la cer, insa as avea nevoie de ajutorul lui expert in teologie.
Va multumesc.
Va multumesc.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +9 | sins that cry to Heaven |
George C.
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| 5 +1 | deadly sins |
Iulian Muresan
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| 5 | blatant sin |
Mihaela Dinu
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Proposed translations
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sins that cry to Heaven
Distincţia a fost dezvoltată în catolicism, în ortodoxie ea nu este canonică.
The sins that cry to Heaven (or sins that cry Out to Heaven) is a group of sins in Catholic doctrine that cuts across mortal sins and venial sins. All of them are exemplified by a biblical sin:
Willful murder – Cain's murder of his brother – Genesis 4:1-16
Sodomy – the sin of Sodom – Genesis 19:5
Oppression of the poor esp. widows, orphans and strangers for which the Catechism of the Catholic Church cites Exodus 22:20–23.
Defrauding laborers of their wages – based on Deut 24:14–15.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sins_that_cry_to_heaven
http://www.newoxfordreview.org/article.jsp?did=0710-storck
The sins that cry to Heaven (or sins that cry Out to Heaven) is a group of sins in Catholic doctrine that cuts across mortal sins and venial sins. All of them are exemplified by a biblical sin:
Willful murder – Cain's murder of his brother – Genesis 4:1-16
Sodomy – the sin of Sodom – Genesis 19:5
Oppression of the poor esp. widows, orphans and strangers for which the Catechism of the Catholic Church cites Exodus 22:20–23.
Defrauding laborers of their wages – based on Deut 24:14–15.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sins_that_cry_to_heaven
http://www.newoxfordreview.org/article.jsp?did=0710-storck
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Mihaela Roman
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mulţumesc.
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Adela Porumbel
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mulţumesc.
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Andreea Sepi, MCIL (X)
: sins that cry out to heaven (see catehismul catolic in engleza)
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mulţumesc. altă variantă: "sins crying out to Heaven"
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Anca Nitu
: http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu43.htm
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mulţumesc.
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mihaela.
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mulţumesc.
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Julia Prazsmary
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mulţumesc.
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Mihaela Ghiuzeli
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mulţumesc.
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Iosif JUHASZ
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Teodora Mihoc (X)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Multumesc."
2 mins
Mihaela Dinu
Netherlands
Netherlands
Native in Romanian
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English
Netherlands
Sworn translator, 19 years experience
Native in: Romanian 
, English
Works in: English to Romanian, Romanian to English, Dutch to English, and 3 more.
blatant sin
Blatant Sin And Lost Blessings
Q. How does our blatant sin interfere with our hearing from the Lord? Do you believe that we are punished for repetitive sin and perhaps the Lord doesn’t do things for us that He might if we were repentant regarding our sin?
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http://www.bcbsr.com/books/1cor5.html
What is the proper way of dealing with the situation when Christians are committing blatant sin?
Q. How does our blatant sin interfere with our hearing from the Lord? Do you believe that we are punished for repetitive sin and perhaps the Lord doesn’t do things for us that He might if we were repentant regarding our sin?
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http://www.bcbsr.com/books/1cor5.html
What is the proper way of dealing with the situation when Christians are committing blatant sin?
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Iulian Muresan
Romania
Romania
Native in Romanian
Works in field
Romania
Translation, Interpretation & VOiceover
Native in: Romanian 
Works in: English to Romanian, Romanian to English, French to English, and 3 more.
deadly sins
It's that simple. No need to complicate things.
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MMUK (X)
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Mihaela Ghiuzeli
: Nu sunt experta in "pacate"
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Julia Prazsmary
: Așa credeam și eu, dar nu...
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Anca Nitu
: close but no cigar, pacatele strigatoare la cer nu sunt cele capitale
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Reference comments
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Julia Prazsmary
Romania
Romania
Native in Romanian
Romania
Translating is like building bridges.
Native in: Hungarian (Variant: Transylvania) , Romanian (Variant: Transylvanian)
Works in: English to Romanian, English to Hungarian, Romanian to Hungarian, and 3 more.
Reference:
Din Wikipedia:
A more developed concept of "sin" deals with a distinction between destructive (deadly) sins (mortal sin) and the merely dishonourable (harmful) sins of careless human living (venial sin) frequently tolerated by societies as a whole, or even encouraged by various cultures (e.g. those college fraternities and sororities notorious for their parties). In that context, mortal sins (sacrilege, murder, mortal violence, devastating calumny, hatred) are said to have the dire consequence of mortal penalty, while sins of careless living (gluttony, casual or informal sexuality, constant play, inebriation, gambling) have been philosophically regarded by some as essential spice for "transcendent" living, even though these may be destructive in the context of human living (obesity, drunkenness, vagrancy, infidelity, child abandonment, criminal negligence). See Asceticism, Stoic philosophy, Epicurean philosophy, and Hedonism.
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Pornind din cele scrise aici, cred că posibilitățile se limitează la ”deadly” și ”mortal”, restul sunt mai ”ușurele”
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Încă o referință, explică și diferența dintre păcatul mortal (mortal) și păcatul capital (lat. caput - care se pedepsesc cu moartea), eng. deadly. Ft. interesant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins#Biblical_List...
A more developed concept of "sin" deals with a distinction between destructive (deadly) sins (mortal sin) and the merely dishonourable (harmful) sins of careless human living (venial sin) frequently tolerated by societies as a whole, or even encouraged by various cultures (e.g. those college fraternities and sororities notorious for their parties). In that context, mortal sins (sacrilege, murder, mortal violence, devastating calumny, hatred) are said to have the dire consequence of mortal penalty, while sins of careless living (gluttony, casual or informal sexuality, constant play, inebriation, gambling) have been philosophically regarded by some as essential spice for "transcendent" living, even though these may be destructive in the context of human living (obesity, drunkenness, vagrancy, infidelity, child abandonment, criminal negligence). See Asceticism, Stoic philosophy, Epicurean philosophy, and Hedonism.
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Pornind din cele scrise aici, cred că posibilitățile se limitează la ”deadly” și ”mortal”, restul sunt mai ”ușurele”
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Încă o referință, explică și diferența dintre păcatul mortal (mortal) și păcatul capital (lat. caput - care se pedepsesc cu moartea), eng. deadly. Ft. interesant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins#Biblical_List...
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MMUK (X)
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Discussion
Le zice ”SINS CRYING TO HEAVEN FOR VENGEANCE”, și sunt exact aceleași ca și în canoanele ortodoxe.
http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu43.htm
Din păcate, pe cele catolice nu le-am găsit nicăieri în engleză în acestă detaliere, (nici pe wiki) în schimb le-am găsit în lb. maghiară (cu referire la dogma catolică, binențeles), iar acolo păcatele strigătoare la cer sunt exact aceleași. (pct II de la Andreea).
O altă problemă e că în română, maghiară (ce pricep eu), ”strigător la cer” apare exact în această formă, pe când engleza zice “And He said, ‘What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries unto Me from the ground.’ ” Genesis 4:10. Latina tot așa : ”dixitque ad eum quid fecisti vox sanguinis fratris tui clamat ad me de terra”
....așa că am impresia că aici ne cam lovim și de ce și cum au tradus ”colegii noștrii” din vechime :)
se poate vf. in orice carte de rugaciuni ortodoxa care contine si indrumar pt. spovedanie.
pt. cele catolice, o explicatie buna e pe wikipedia
Vatican Adds Seven New Deadly Sins Including Damaging Environment and Drug Dealing
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336330,00.html#ixzz1HaXh...
Păcatele capitale, în schimb, sunt cele considerate ca și ”originea” tuturor celorlalte:
”The Deadly Sins do not belong to an additional category of sin. Rather, they are the sins that are seen as the origin ("capital" comes from the Latin caput, head) of the other sins. A "deadly sin" can be either venial or mortal, depending on the situation; but "they are called 'capital' because they engender other sins, other vices."[2]”
Trebuie să ținem cont și de faptul că canoanele ortodoxe, care au ”detaliat” aceste aspecte și mai cuprinzător nu au corespondență cu limba engleză, deci aici trebuie să ne luăm după cele catolice, cu cât mai vechi, cu atât mai bine.
Problema e de semantică cele două categorii, să zic așa, pe de o parte se suprapun, iar pe de altă parte se confundă...
În cazul de față, dacă e să ne luăm după canoane, și pornind de la faptul că păcatul strigător la cer este crima, aceasta nu face parte din categoria celor care ”nu-i plac lui Iehova/ D-zeu”, însă este, categoric, un păcat capital.
” După ce Cain l-a omorât pe fratele său Abel, lehova i-a
zis lui Cain: „Glasul sângelui fratelui tău strigă din pământ la
Mine" (Geneza 4:10). Când a vorbit despre sângele lui Abel,
Dumnezeu s-a referit de fapt la viaţa acestuia. Cain i-a luat
viaţa lui Abel şi trebuia să fie pedepsit. Era ca şi cum sângele
lui Abel, sau viaţa lui, striga la lehova cerând dreptate.”
http://spiritualitatea.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/sa-avem-resp...
Aici e vorba de o crimă, care e păcat mortal , aș zice deci că și păcatul strigător la cer e tot păcat mortal. Blatant e mai alceva, e ”nerușinat”, ”în văzul lumii” etc.