| Vom Thema belegte Seiten: < [1 2 3 4] > | Are you managing to use AI in your work, to your benefit and the benefit of your clients? Initiator des Themas: Henry Dotterer
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considering the above, to me ChatGPT is a 'tool', but in its slang meaning.
That's pretty good, Barbara! Thanks for the laugh.
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I do not use AI for my translations, as I am sure it would be hopeless (not good with creativity, idiomatic expressions, cultural knowledge, dialects, neologisms...)
This makes me wonder if you have tried it lately. I think ChatGPT is not bad in some of these areas, idiomatic expressions in particular. As Emirjeta wrote, it can also "(assist) in swift idea generation".
| | | | | Thanks for the feedback | Oct 17, 2023 |
Thanks to everyone for the feedback here. I'm going to put together a survey with the questions that have come to mind for me out of this discussion. I'll share the results here.
| | | | | How is ChatGPT’s inclusion in KudoZ helping anyone? | Oct 17, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
As everyone knows, ProZ is and always has been on the side of the translator. AI is a tool. (As Mr. Satan said, "use the right tool for the right job".) Introducing ChatGPT into the KudoZ help network (and paying the bill for that) is, apart from being a bit of fun, a way for ProZ to help direct some of the power of AI to the benefit of our people: the linguists.
But its answers are almost exclusively wrong, so how is that a benefit? And just how many people are you seeing on here thinking it is “a bit of fun”? With our livelihoods at stake, that strikes me as an incredibly insensitive and arrogant response.
If ProZ were truly behind its members it would be doing everything it could to signal to the world that human translators are still relevant. I am not seeing that.
You are free to run your business as you see fit, of course, but it is sad that you do not feel a need to engage with your members more than once every couple of years (generally to tell them to stop moaning, without considering why they are unhappy), and even then using this inclusive format which stifles debate.
Both the inclusive format and the AI tool have been unpopular and little used, but you plough on regardless. As I say, fine if that’s what you want, but don’t then claim you are on our side!
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| What about you, Ice Scream? | Oct 17, 2023 |
Ice Scream wrote:
But its answers are almost exclusively wrong, so how is that a benefit? And just how many people are you seeing on here thinking it is “a bit of fun”? With our livelihoods at stake, that strikes me as an incredibly insensitive and arrogant response.
We put the option there, but if people don't use it it doesn't get used. Apparently, they have their reasons.
If ProZ were truly behind its members it would be doing everything it could to signal to the world that human translators are still relevant. I am not seeing that.
For what it is worth, I don't know of a company that would have more of an interest than ProZ.com in having translators benefit from AI. (Do you?)
You are free to run your business as you see fit, of course, but it is sad that you do not feel a need to engage with your members more than once every couple of years (generally to tell them to stop moaning, without considering why they are unhappy), and even then using this inclusive format which stifles debate.
The forums are one of over fifty services here. Excepting the minority who work behind the scenes, all ProZ staff members, including me, engage with members all the time.
By the way, I know you from years here to be an intelligent and insightful guy. I do wonder whether you are using AI. (Was your "no" a response to that? If so, I wonder why that is your choice.)
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Bosnien und Herzegowina
Local time: 20:46
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I personally don’t care about GPT on KudoZ.
My opinion of ProZ is generally good (a lot of good things happened here). It’s more good than it is bad.
However, I don’t enjoy AI hyperpromotion and it being heavily used as an excuse to knock the rates down. It’s present everywhere, not only on ProZ, and not only in translation, unfortunately.
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Henry Dotterer wrote:
By the way, I know you from years here to be an intelligent and insightful guy.
I think Ice Cream is a woman.
| | | | Baran Keki
Türkei
Local time: 21:46
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| Can't you pull some strings? | Oct 18, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
By the way, I know you from years here to be an intelligent and insightful guy.
Why don't you do that poor chap a favour and let his posts appear in real time? He seems to be on your blacklist for years. Can't you grant a pardon or something?
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| I don't use it for translation... | Oct 18, 2023 |
but I use it for research. Of course, fact-checking is still necessary, but it can provide you with the necessary information to find what you are looking for.
By the way: I'm not against giving members here the option of using it for KudoZ. It's just an option.
Henry is a smart guy and I've had the pleasure of meeting him personally many moons ago in Oxford. He is a translator too and I don't believe he would do anything to jeopardise our profession. Happy translAItin... See more but I use it for research. Of course, fact-checking is still necessary, but it can provide you with the necessary information to find what you are looking for.
By the way: I'm not against giving members here the option of using it for KudoZ. It's just an option.
Henry is a smart guy and I've had the pleasure of meeting him personally many moons ago in Oxford. He is a translator too and I don't believe he would do anything to jeopardise our profession. Happy translAIting everybody! ▲ Collapse
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As mostly an interpreter, I produce my work in real time and couldn’t use any AI tools if I wanted to - which I don’t, as I am not interested in the slightest and fail to see the fascination with them at all.
There is possibly something that I am missing, but I see them just as machines that monotonely regurgitate content they were fed?
They are not creating the content, and if they are producing it, it means that said content was already out there, because it was f... See more As mostly an interpreter, I produce my work in real time and couldn’t use any AI tools if I wanted to - which I don’t, as I am not interested in the slightest and fail to see the fascination with them at all.
There is possibly something that I am missing, but I see them just as machines that monotonely regurgitate content they were fed?
They are not creating the content, and if they are producing it, it means that said content was already out there, because it was fed to them.
And when I am looking for some information, Google searches still work fine for me? If those are a result of AI then so be it, but I am not actively using it myself.
And regarding the addition of AI to ProZ, I agree with the school of thought that doesn’t find it to be a good idea.
If anything, having ChatGPT nonchalantly among us, as if it were one of us, sends our potential clients the wrong message at best. ▲ Collapse
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Vereinigte Staaten
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| Played with it for a few hours... | Oct 21, 2023 |
...but could not think of any practical use for it. I thought it might be good at explaining grammar concepts for foreign language study or for creating sample sentences from vocabulary, or for generating mnemonics to help learn vocabulary, but unfortunately it has the tendency to make things up or get things confused, so you can't rely on the accuracy of what it creates. It seems it is best at writing things that no one will ever read.
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[Edited at... See more ...but could not think of any practical use for it. I thought it might be good at explaining grammar concepts for foreign language study or for creating sample sentences from vocabulary, or for generating mnemonics to help learn vocabulary, but unfortunately it has the tendency to make things up or get things confused, so you can't rely on the accuracy of what it creates. It seems it is best at writing things that no one will ever read.
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| | | | Alison MacG
Vereinigtes Königreich
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| One-question survey | Oct 27, 2023 |
Henry Dotterer wrote:
Thanks to everyone for the feedback here. I'm going to put together a survey with the questions that have come to mind for me out of this discussion. I'll share the results here.
Is this it - the single-question survey currently appearing at the top of the homepage?
A brief survey:
Are you using AI in some part of your work as of October, 2023?
If so, I trust there are more detailed questions to follow later.
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AnneMe
Local time: 20:46
Englisch > Deutsch
| Forbidden to use it by clients | Nov 2, 2023 |
Hi,
roughly 80% of my clients have now expressly forbidden use of any AI/MT software. Not during the translation, nor while editing it. So no, even if I wanted, I couldn't use AI without breaking my contracts. I used to like DeepL for hunting synonyms. I'm back to the thesaurus again.
| | | | | Practical use: creating my own HTML tag remover tool | Nov 7, 2023 |
I think Robots should do chores that we don't like (that's where the name came from if I'm not mistaken).
So, not being a programmer myself I bounced off between a few different LLM available online (so-called AI) and in an hour I got myself a little webpage that removes HTML tags from text, converts the HTML entities to regular text (those weird things with & in them), has a button that sends the result to the clipboard and has a picture and a subscribe button to my YouTube channel.
... See more I think Robots should do chores that we don't like (that's where the name came from if I'm not mistaken).
So, not being a programmer myself I bounced off between a few different LLM available online (so-called AI) and in an hour I got myself a little webpage that removes HTML tags from text, converts the HTML entities to regular text (those weird things with & in them), has a button that sends the result to the clipboard and has a picture and a subscribe button to my YouTube channel.
I think this is a pretty good demo of where we can go using AI to our real own advantage. I'm doing these tests in preparation for a video that will come out in a few weeks.
Here's what I have recorded from how it works (you may need to click for it run in a new tab).
[Edited at 2023-11-07 15:51 GMT] Better recording
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| | | | texjax DDS PhD
Local time: 14:46
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Maria G. Grassi, M.A. wrote:
If anything, having ChatGPT nonchalantly among us, as if it were one of us, sends our potential clients the wrong message at best.
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