Apr 12, 2015 22:24
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Hi everyone! I'm translating an academic paper entitled "Direitos Humanos, Forças Repressivas e Estratégias de Controle Social" and there are several times where the term 'cientifica' appears in the text. I'm not sure if this can be translated to 'scientific' in English, especially since there seem to be former Kudoz questions linking the term to 'forensics'. Can anyone help? The same issue happens with 'polícia técnica'. Translation to US English. Thanks!
Nossa hipótese é de que o conteúdo dos discursos nas matérias dos meios de comunicação de massa, que veiculam a ideia de ***uma polícia moderna e científica***, é contradito pela forma expressionista das imagens que acompanham as reportagens.
Assim, as modificações das instituições policiais configuraram-se durante a primeira década do século XX, através da instituição do serviço médico-legal e o de identificação e estatística e da criação da primeira escola de polícia no país, fundada em 1912. Teve uma duração efêmera e muitas dificuldades de institucionalização. Seu programa de ensino, entretanto, era rico e atualizado; caminhava na direção de reforçar a ideia de construção de uma ***“polícia científica”*** que se contraporia à “polícia empírica”, como os ideólogos do controle social e policial definiam as práticas policiais fora dos marcos da profissionalização moderna.
O debate sobre reorganização das instituições policiais ganhou o grande público através da imprensa. Apareceu explicitamente na produção intelectual dos ideólogos do controle social e da disciplina, seja nos relatórios de chefes de polícia, de ministros da justiça, ou em ***artigos técnicos e científicos*** produzidos pela intelectualidade que atuava na formação da Escola de Polícia.
Portanto, a atuação da polícia no início da República (e além, como vamos tentar demonstrar neste trabalho), vem adotando, teoricamente, ***a ideia moderna e científica*** de segurança pública.
Nossa hipótese é de que o conteúdo dos discursos nas matérias dos meios de comunicação de massa, que veiculam a ideia de ***uma polícia moderna e científica***, é contradito pela forma expressionista das imagens que acompanham as reportagens.
Assim, as modificações das instituições policiais configuraram-se durante a primeira década do século XX, através da instituição do serviço médico-legal e o de identificação e estatística e da criação da primeira escola de polícia no país, fundada em 1912. Teve uma duração efêmera e muitas dificuldades de institucionalização. Seu programa de ensino, entretanto, era rico e atualizado; caminhava na direção de reforçar a ideia de construção de uma ***“polícia científica”*** que se contraporia à “polícia empírica”, como os ideólogos do controle social e policial definiam as práticas policiais fora dos marcos da profissionalização moderna.
O debate sobre reorganização das instituições policiais ganhou o grande público através da imprensa. Apareceu explicitamente na produção intelectual dos ideólogos do controle social e da disciplina, seja nos relatórios de chefes de polícia, de ministros da justiça, ou em ***artigos técnicos e científicos*** produzidos pela intelectualidade que atuava na formação da Escola de Polícia.
Portanto, a atuação da polícia no início da República (e além, como vamos tentar demonstrar neste trabalho), vem adotando, teoricamente, ***a ideia moderna e científica*** de segurança pública.
Proposed translations
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3 +1 | science-based policing | Muriel Vasconcellos |
3 +1 | scientific police | Danik 2014 |
Proposed translations
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Portuguese term (edited):
polícia científica
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science-based policing
I think the point here is that "polícia" is about the approach to 'policing', not the police as such.
My impression is that they're trying to get away from ad hoc approaches to a more rational base for the work they do.
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Note added at 53 mins (2015-04-12 23:17:54 GMT)
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My certainty is getting stronger. I've done some more searching, and it's definitely about science in policing. See:
[PDF]**Police Science: Toward a New Paradigm** - National Criminal ...
https://www.ncjrs.gov/.../228...
National Criminal Justice Reference Service
by D Weisburd
**Changing to a Science-Based Policing Paradigm**. Old Paradigm. Education and training. Based around legal knowledge and work-based learning. Leaders see ...
Papers From the Harvard Executive Session on Policing ...
www.nij.gov/topics/law.../papers.aspx
National Institute of Justice
Mar 23, 2015 - The authors discuss existing research that supports their contention and lay out **a proposal for a new, science-based policing paradigm.**
www.policefoundation.org/.../police-foundation-names-deputy...
“James Burch has been at the forefront of **promoting innovation and science-based policing practices** throughout the nation, and we are excited that he will bring ...
Economics of Policing: Baseline for Policing Research in ...
www.publicsafety.gc.ca › ... › Publications
Public Safety Canada
Sep 9, 2014 - **Changing to a Science-Based Policing Paradigm** (Weisburd ... become the key structure for moving toward **science-based policing** in Canada,
My impression is that they're trying to get away from ad hoc approaches to a more rational base for the work they do.
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Note added at 53 mins (2015-04-12 23:17:54 GMT)
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My certainty is getting stronger. I've done some more searching, and it's definitely about science in policing. See:
[PDF]**Police Science: Toward a New Paradigm** - National Criminal ...
https://www.ncjrs.gov/.../228...
National Criminal Justice Reference Service
by D Weisburd
**Changing to a Science-Based Policing Paradigm**. Old Paradigm. Education and training. Based around legal knowledge and work-based learning. Leaders see ...
Papers From the Harvard Executive Session on Policing ...
www.nij.gov/topics/law.../papers.aspx
National Institute of Justice
Mar 23, 2015 - The authors discuss existing research that supports their contention and lay out **a proposal for a new, science-based policing paradigm.**
www.policefoundation.org/.../police-foundation-names-deputy...
“James Burch has been at the forefront of **promoting innovation and science-based policing practices** throughout the nation, and we are excited that he will bring ...
Economics of Policing: Baseline for Policing Research in ...
www.publicsafety.gc.ca › ... › Publications
Public Safety Canada
Sep 9, 2014 - **Changing to a Science-Based Policing Paradigm** (Weisburd ... become the key structure for moving toward **science-based policing** in Canada,
Peer comment(s):
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Richard Purdom
: You've done a lot of research Muriel, trouble is, this is almost modern jargon that maybe cannot correctly describe what the text refers to, namely an ephermeral institution of more than a century ag
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Thanks, Richard. As I read the text, they are trying to do some modern policing and get rid of the old "empirical" traditions. As you may have heard, we still have some of those "empirical" traditions in the U.S.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks!"
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Portuguese term (edited):
policia científica
scientific police
1-http://www.policiacientifica.sp.gov.br/saiba-mais-sobre-a-su...
"A função da Polícia Científica é, de modo geral, coordenar as atividades do Instituto de Criminalística (IC), Instituto Médico-Legal (IML) e, na maioria das vezes, do Instituto de Identificação (II) da unidade da federação à qual faz parte."
2-http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polícia_científica
3-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_pathology
4-"Jobs and careers of the French scientific police.
The scientific police's laboratories employ among others laboratory engineers, holders of a Master's degree or a doctorate in medicine, pharmacy or veterinary medicine. Recruitment is conducted through competitive entry."
http://www.emploi-scientifique.info/display.php?id=1739&lg=e...
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There seems not to be an exact equivalent in English because the job structure in what you call Legal or Forensic Medicin seems to vary from one country to another.The Brazilian "Policia Científica" is responsible for the institutions which deal with the scientific aspects of crime: identification of corpses,
examination of evidences, and so on. I would use the term scientific police in English (it is a scientific activity which demands the corresponding degrees)but I would explain what kind of scientific activity is meant by the term.
"A função da Polícia Científica é, de modo geral, coordenar as atividades do Instituto de Criminalística (IC), Instituto Médico-Legal (IML) e, na maioria das vezes, do Instituto de Identificação (II) da unidade da federação à qual faz parte."
2-http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polícia_científica
3-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_pathology
4-"Jobs and careers of the French scientific police.
The scientific police's laboratories employ among others laboratory engineers, holders of a Master's degree or a doctorate in medicine, pharmacy or veterinary medicine. Recruitment is conducted through competitive entry."
http://www.emploi-scientifique.info/display.php?id=1739&lg=e...
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There seems not to be an exact equivalent in English because the job structure in what you call Legal or Forensic Medicin seems to vary from one country to another.The Brazilian "Policia Científica" is responsible for the institutions which deal with the scientific aspects of crime: identification of corpses,
examination of evidences, and so on. I would use the term scientific police in English (it is a scientific activity which demands the corresponding degrees)but I would explain what kind of scientific activity is meant by the term.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Claudio Mazotti
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Obrigada, Claudio!
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disagree |
Richard Purdom
: sounds wrong I'm afraid, and you have no sound English references to back it up
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This is not only a Brazilian concept, but it describes an concrete branch of the Brazilian police. The translator must take this into account. Have a nice day!
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Vitor Pinteus
: vd discussion.
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Obrigada pelo precioso apoio tradutório e via "discussion"!:)
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Discussion
And I believe it is this sense that I found in several references in En-US.
For example:
1. ("Scientific Police Work"): http://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/28/scientific-police-work-tra...
2. ("Scientific Police Investigation", Fred Inbau):http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/scientific-police-investigat...
3. ("Fred Inbau, Criminologist...native of New Orleans"): http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/28/us/fred-inbau-89-criminolo...
4. ("The Scientific Police" (American Institute of Criminal Law and Criminology)): https://archive.org/details/jstor-1132635
1st occurrence: "polícia moderna e científica" »» "modern and scientific police"
2nd occurrence: "polícia científica" »» "scientific police"
3rd occurence: "artigos técnicos e científicos" »» "technical and scientific articles/papers"
4th occurrence: "a ideia moderna e científica" »» "the modern scientific idea"
Basically:
1. ("scientific police"), 25.300: https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
2. ("technical and scientific articles"), 108.000: https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
3. ("technical and scientific papers"), 77.200: https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
4. ("the modern scientific idea"), 83.200: https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
That´s it. I hope that if this discussion goes on someone else chimes in. I`m in the midst of a text, and I`m not going to interrupt my work again to answer you!
On the translation here, I disagreed with your suggestion (nothing personal!) because using 'scientific' in this way applies that it is an accepted idiomatic expression using an adjective, which it isn't. That's why I agreed with Miriel's descriptive version.
Language is a product of different traditions.