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Why? Oct 18, 2011

Jerzy Czopik wrote:


But you cannot honestly compare Macbook Air to anything else. The first impression is: GREAT, that is what I want! But after a closer look my impression is: stay away! If you say I pay much for the Vaio brand, so this applies twice that much to Apple.


Well, nothing compares to the AIR serie till now, but Asus is the first of the Ultra-books (trying again to follow Apples Idea) coming this year, but the prices are not better...



I am waiting for the next MacBook Pro generation as "Air" design...


 
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Many reasons Oct 18, 2011

You cannot exchange anything there.
The quality of the screen is not that good.
Connections are very limited.
When you chose a good processor, big ram and big SSD hdd (> 128 GB) the price goes beyond the mond...
And it is an Apple - for me the biggest reason not to buy


 
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We should stop comparing... Oct 18, 2011

Windows machines and Apple machines: different OS, different philosophy and hence, different target audiences and prices.

In fact it was a MacBook Pro which led me to the decision of buying an iMac (and of getting rid of Windows-only software). So everything and its contrary can happen.


 
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Away from home Oct 18, 2011

Stefanie Sendelbach wrote:

The thing is that I spend about 2 to 3 months per year away from my home office, i.e. without the big screens and the external keyboard. Isn't the 13" a bit small as a sole screen for roughly a fifth of my working time? What is your experience? I tend to go for a 15.4" machine again, even if it means half a kilo more.

Well, will those 2 or 3 months be spent all in one go in the same place? In that case, just buy an external screen there. You can get a perfectly good one for 100 EUR and sell it for 60 when you leave. If you can't do that, I'm not sure. It depends on how much you travel with your laptop. I carry it with me at least 2 or 3 times every week, sometimes every day of the week. Because of that, I wouldn't consider any laptop over 13"/3.5 pounds/1.5" thickness. At this size, I can drop the thing in my backpack and forget it's even there. If you don't carry your laptop much, you might as well go 15".

Stefanie Sendelbach wrote:
And finally: Do you have any advice on a good docking station? What brands are good? What price tag am I looking at?

Each laptop (family) has its own docking station, so you have to look at them as a unit.
I fell in love with the Toshiba R700 (now superseded by the R830), so that's what I bought and I had to go with the Toshiba dock that works with it (there's only one type). It's pretty nice, it even has a USB 3.0 port for faster transfers to and from my external HDD. It's expensive (about 150 EUR I guess). One of the perks of the dock is that it comes with its own power cord, so I don't have to fish my original power brick and cable out of my backpack when I get home - or put it back in when I leave. I drop the laptop on the dock, and it's instantly connected to the monitor, keyboard, mouse, power and external drive.


 
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Andras Oct 18, 2011

FarkasAndras wrote:
Well, will those 2 or 3 months be spent all in one go in the same place? In that case, just buy an external screen there. You can get a perfectly good one for 100 EUR and sell it for 60 when you leave. If you can't do that, I'm not sure. It depends on how much you travel with your laptop. I carry it with me at least 2 or 3 times every week, sometimes every day of the week. Because of that, I wouldn't consider any laptop over 13"/3.5 pounds/1.5" thickness. At this size, I can drop the thing in my backpack and forget it's even there. If you don't carry your laptop much, you might as well go 15".


Mainly travelling, so buying a screen isn't really an option. I will consider it, though, if I stay in a place for more than a few weeks. Thanks for the idea. But anyway, I think a not too heavy 15" machine wouldn't bother me much during travels.

Can it be that 15" is a rather "cheap" size at the moment, i.e. a 15" laptop is cheaper than a 13" or 17" laptop with the same specs?

Each laptop (family) has its own docking station, so you have to look at them as a unit.
I fell in love with the Toshiba R700 (now superseded by the R830), so that's what I bought and I had to go with the Toshiba dock that works with it (there's only one type). It's pretty nice, it even has a USB 3.0 port for faster transfers to and from my external HDD. It's expensive (about 150 EUR I guess). One of the perks of the dock is that it comes with its own power cord, so I don't have to fish my original power brick and cable out of my backpack when I get home - or put it back in when I leave. I drop the laptop on the dock, and it's instantly connected to the monitor, keyboard, mouse, power and external drive.


That sounds great. Thank you for your post!

Stefanie


 
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desktop alternative Oct 18, 2011

Thanks for all your replies and suggestions so far!

Maybe a small clarification re my original post. I'd like to go for the big 17,3" as the laptop would mainly function as a desktop alternative. So I'm not planning on carrying it around or travel with it. It'll stay in my home office most of the time, so weight/size isn't a real issue. But on the other hand I don't want to get a desktop, because I do want some flexibility and not be confined to one single office spot in the house.<
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Thanks for all your replies and suggestions so far!

Maybe a small clarification re my original post. I'd like to go for the big 17,3" as the laptop would mainly function as a desktop alternative. So I'm not planning on carrying it around or travel with it. It'll stay in my home office most of the time, so weight/size isn't a real issue. But on the other hand I don't want to get a desktop, because I do want some flexibility and not be confined to one single office spot in the house.

I currently have a Sony Vaio (VGN-NR31Z/S) and am quite happy with it, but it is getting slow and after almost 4 years it's time to upgrade to something faster/better. I'm also used to work on a Dell (Latitude-series) and must say I like it (even) better than the Vaio, hence Dell's top spot on my list.
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Follow your personal experience Oct 18, 2011

Glocalise wrote:
I currently have a Sony Vaio (VGN-NR31Z/S) and am quite happy with it, but it is getting slow and after almost 4 years it's time to upgrade to something faster/better. I'm also used to work on a Dell (Latitude-series) and must say I like it (even) better than the Vaio, hence Dell's top spot on my list.

If you have good experience with Dell, go for it.

Stefanie Sendelbach wrote:
Can it be that 15" is a rather "cheap" size at the moment, i.e. a 15" laptop is cheaper than a 13" or 17" laptop with the same specs?

The specs are not exactly the same, as the miniaturization (packaging) level at 13" is much higher.
The price depends also on the screen used - most certainly the 15" panels are cheaper as the 13" with the same resolution. But if you look at the mainstream 15" laptops, their screens are inacceptable to work, having a very low resolution. For example Sony sells 15" with only 1366x768 pixels.
You notice how bad that is just after you first time start Studio there.
The overall bad quality of the screen together with a resolution of 1200x800 pixel caused my big disappointment with the Dell I had. However I must admit having bought it BEFORE Studio. The main reason for the purchase was the nice price - and I regretted that decision for 30 months out of the 36 months of leasing. So towards the end of the lease time I decided to go for a high-end machine and found my current Vaio on sale and bought (leased) it at once. Now I am really satisfied.

So when buying a laptop, which is to serve you for several years, look to get the best options you can pay for. Do not take a gaming machine, look for an office machine instead. The more RAM you have the better. Also SSD could be a very nice, however expensive option. The processor speed is of not so big importance, so if you need to decide between i7 or i5 in order to get faster HDD and more RAM go for the latter and stay with i5 or take AMD.


 
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Everyone has different experiences Oct 19, 2011

For the past 10 years I've only ever owned a Dell and Sony VAIO (simultaneously), Dell being the main machine and the VAIO the back-up (I'm on my 3rd of each respectively). I would go for the Dell every time. Why don't I buy 2 Dells? Simple answer, the last time I tried getting a QWERTY keyboard in France Dell's customer service simply wouldn't comply so I went for the VAIO.

 
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battery life on vostro 3750 Oct 19, 2011

One thing I forgot to mention is the disappointing life of the standard 6-cell battery. I only get about 2 hours out of it, which may have everything to do with the 17" screen. If you need to work without power on occasion you might want to get the 9 cell battery instead. Otherwise

Olly


 
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I'm on my 2nd Vostro Oct 20, 2011

I had the same question when the first 17 inch Vostro came out (Vostro 1700).
I had used IBMs and Toshibas before then, but I really liked the Vostro 1700. I've had no trouble at all with it during the 2.5 years that I used it daily. It had a very comfortable keyboard, and I can say the same about the Vostro 1720 model that I now use. Just perfect for what I need.
Now, it is almost time to look for my next one as the one I have is now 2 years old, and I'll most likely go for another
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I had the same question when the first 17 inch Vostro came out (Vostro 1700).
I had used IBMs and Toshibas before then, but I really liked the Vostro 1700. I've had no trouble at all with it during the 2.5 years that I used it daily. It had a very comfortable keyboard, and I can say the same about the Vostro 1720 model that I now use. Just perfect for what I need.
Now, it is almost time to look for my next one as the one I have is now 2 years old, and I'll most likely go for another 17 inch Vostro.

And, just to point out how durable my first Vostro is, I let my kids have it when I bought the new one, and they've been using it daily for two years, and it has had a rough treatment from them. It has gone to the floor several times but it keeps working as if nothing happened, except that it is now a crack in one corner of the base ...
So, it is 4.5 years old, have been dropped several times, has had water spilled over the keyboard and has been dragged to school in a backpack several times. It still fires up every day without any problems, and the keyboard still feels great. (Though the battery now only last about 10 minutes).

Just some input on the older Vostro models in the 17 inch range.
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i5 or i7? Oct 20, 2011

And what about processors?

Would it be better to opt for an Intel i5 2,40GHz or an Intel i7 2,20GHz?


 
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Get a docking station early... Oct 20, 2011

FarkasAndras wrote:
Each laptop (family) has its own docking station, so you have to look at them as a unit.


Some "universal" docking stations might be found, but they're mostly just glorified USB hubs, possibly with a video card. Better to get one made for your machine. And get it fairly quickly after your computer purchase lest the manufacturer change the expansion port location on later series of that model and stop supporting accessories for the older version. Sony did this with my late 2009-era Z series Vaio (which I love otherwise), and by the time I decided to buy one, Sony was no longer making ones that fit the older models. Any "new" versions of the older docking station were on permanent backorder, and used ones were nowhere to be found - literally! After several months I managed to snag one with a reasonable buy it now a few minutes into an eBay auction.



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